Animal
9:12 Tue Nov 17
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Stewey of the police fire, it means they believe that life is imminently at risk. They shoot at the largest mass in order to get the highest chance of stopping that that to life.
Asking them to shoot in the arms or legs is just silly, as it is less likely to prevent the loss of life.
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Lertie Button
8:48 Tue Nov 17
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A moot point, by the time sgt plodd gets the fire arms store opened and the guns handed out, the terrorists will be happily back in Belguimstan.
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stewey
7:11 Tue Nov 17
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Not a problem for me ,but could they not shoot to incapacitate in the shoulder or hip or somewhere neutral and not leave so many questions unanswered
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hub hub hub hub
6:37 Tue Nov 17
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Yes.
These terrorists can not be negotiated with. If your not a devout muslim and domt follow sharia law your or a westerner, they'll kill you given the chance. Id rather see another john charles deminez than a police officers not shoot to kill a potential terrorist trying to cause harm to hundreds of people.
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HairyHammer
6:28 Tue Nov 17
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No, we saw what happened with the Brazillian man in the tube.
Obviously if there is 100% proof which is not as simplistic as some may think it is almost impossible for the armed police to hold back, but ' He believes ' is sometimes not good enough.
If you are asking me if a terrorist should be shot and killed even when planning to do damage and not when they are in the process I have no problem in saying Yes.
Giving armed forces on the streets far too much power, could end up like America and lets be honest just thinking your in danger and killing as they do there does not exactly work well for American police and certainly not for civilians.
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Dapablo
6:23 Tue Nov 17
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Jean Charles de Menezes
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sbeddy
6:18 Tue Nov 17
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Knowleskin 5:35 Tue Nov 17
Just back - not quite to plan. I was gonna count up the answers....
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JAC
6:13 Tue Nov 17
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Yes
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peroni
6:08 Tue Nov 17
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Yes
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Westside
6:07 Tue Nov 17
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Chim - I could only see the bit that refers to "notable" incidents of police shooting killings and woundings, not all shooting killings and woundings. Where is the list of all police shooting killings and woundings? For example in 2013 the UK police fired at people 3 times and killed nobody. That's not mentioned on your link.
The police rightly do not shoot to wound, but shoot to stop (ignoring the current debate about suicide bombers). Once the suspect has been stopped the police administer first aid and call an ambulance. So your assertion that people seldom survive police shootings in the UK, is wrong.
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chim chim cha boo
5:44 Tue Nov 17
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Westside 5:22 Tue Nov 17
That article seemed to make it a 50/50 split. It does go to show how rare it is that the police fire a gun at all.
If you go to the Uk Police Wiki page it shows you all the fatal and non-fatal shootings listed at the bottom. the Fatal list is ten times long than the non-fatal.
My experience of this comes from a conversation I had with a metropolitan firearms officer about ten years ago. He told me they never shoot to wound as it might make the situation even more dangerous. What they tell the enquiry after might be a bit different.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom
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AfM
5:37 Tue Nov 17
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OK, fair enough, ironsofcanada.
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ironsofcanada
5:36 Tue Nov 17
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AfM 5:23 Tue Nov 17
No idea to what you are referring.
(It is hard though to disagree with you or him because you talk around the point, we covered this.)
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Knowleskin
5:35 Tue Nov 17
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That Yes or No answers only thing worked out well for you, fella.
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WHOicidal Maniac
5:27 Tue Nov 17
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If they are at risk of hurting other..yes
They have this power already and so do you...Well not the shoot bit, but you get what I mean.
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AfM
5:23 Tue Nov 17
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That's because I was agreeing with what he said, ironsofcanada, not disagreeing with something he didn't.
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Westside
5:22 Tue Nov 17
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"That's why it's very rare for someone to survive being shot at by the British police."
Not true.
This article shows that people survive the majority of the time that they are shot at by police.
http://www.channel4.com/news/police-fatal-shooting-trigger-happy-fact-check
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ironsofcanada
5:20 Tue Nov 17
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Far Cough 4:28 Tue Nov 17
Things that produce radiation are not the only things that could kill a whole lot of people.
Nit picking on details aside, the original point is that we could do more to prevent things from coming into country but it would cost an amazing amount and be as that article says "Profoundly Disruptive."
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ChesterRd
5:18 Tue Nov 17
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Yes
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ironsofcanada
5:09 Tue Nov 17
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AfM 4:41 Tue Nov 17
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34832023
He even used the same phraseology.
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